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If you have been given a ticket from a laser gun when you were positive you weren't doing the alleged speed, then YOU MUST WATCH THIS VIDEO!
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Part Two This video also shows how "reflection" can also create errors in speed readings, as well as the slip error as featured in the first video
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This video from a speed laser hobbyist also shows how a slip error can generate an erroneous reading.
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Speed camera fine doubts
Posted Fri Apr 18, source: www.abc.net.au
Speed camera accuracy has been questioned in SA.
The South Australian Opposition says an apparent
speed camera glitch means hundreds of motorists may
have been wrongly fined.
An Adelaide man is disputing a speeding fine issued
last January based on evidence from a mobile police
camera on Main North Road, because of contradictory
information about the camera's positioning.
The ABC Stateline program has revealed conflicting
figures from the police and the SA Police Minister
that suggest the camera was in two locations at
once.
The Opposition's Iain Evans says a mistake has been
made has called for any wrong charges to be dropped.
"Commonsense says all of the photos taken that day
from that camera are likely to be wrong," he said.
"They all should be reviewed and, if they are wrong,
they all should be withdrawn.
"If people have paid fines or lost demerit points,
the demerit points should be reinstated and the
fines reimbursed."
South
Australia: Speed Camera Records Car 690 mph
Documents from a court trial in Australia prove
speed cameras record motorists routinely driving at
speeds up to 690 MPH.
Hand-held speed cameras in Australia are recording
motorists travelling impossible speeds. One accused
driver, David Gillan, decided that he would fight
back against a ticket he received on a freeway south
of Adelaide because he believed that he was not
speeding. To prepare his court case, Gillan
requested the speed camera operator's notes and
calibration documents. When he received them, he
noticed the camera had claimed one automobile
reached 690 MPH and another 248 MPH.
The television program Today Tonight hired a traffic
engineer, Grad Zivkovic, to recreate the error in
Gillan's case. Zivkovic explained that a brick wall
at the location was interfering with camera readings
by reflecting the signal from the gun. It caused 90
MPH readings for cars that were obviously not
speeding. At another location, the television crew
set its cruise control to 37 MPH to test the speed
gun. Zivkovic clocked them at 80 MPH.
"Police say 'trust us' and police also say 'trust
manufacturer,' but we learn many times in our lives
we have to check certain things to make sure they do
operate correctly," Zivkovic explained on the
program.
In 2004, more than 165,000 speed camera citations
worth A$26 million were overturned after a woman
proved her 1975 Datsun was clocked at a speed it was
unable to reach. British media have also documented
the same flaws in hand-held lidar speed detection
devices, especially the LTI 20-20 model which is the
commonly used in the US. (source)
Speed
Camera Faults
We're probably all
guilty of being lead footed at some time so when
slapped with a speeding fine most of us cop it sweet
but what about when you just know you weren't
speeding?
Road safety engineer Grad Zivkovic is on a one man
crusade to expose the faults of the speed cameras
used on our roads to nab motorists.
He claims to know the camera's weaknesses but says
police want to keep the information secret.
'You cannot get hold of a manual and you cannot get
a camera. That lets down the general public for us
to prove camera malfunction you have to have the
manual. If you're not allowed then you probably have
to pay the fine.'
Grad has been refused copies of the manufacturer's
manual as well as the police operating instructions.
In the past twelve months Grad's helped eight
drivers like Adelaide student Marek escape fines
based on failings of the cameras.
'There was no way I was traveling anywhere near 100
km/hr,' said Marek.
Marek was pulled over by police zapped supposedly
doing 100 km/hr in a 50 km/hr zone.
But Grad was able to prove in court that Marek was
the victim of a ghost reading where some other
object or disturbance affected the gun's reading.
It seems South Australia Police is keen to limit
these kinds of challenges but is it for reason of
road safety or revenue, considering Grad's Freedom
of Information request for more technical
information was refused on the ground of 'public
interest' and 'commercial interest'.
'Cameras are revenue raisers and are actually not
used to the full extent for saving lives on the
roads,' said Grad.
SAPOL claims by withholding the information it is
protecting the manufacturer's trade secrets not it's
own revenue stream but how can any of this be also
in the public interest if the effect is that
motorists are kept in the dark over the accuracy of
their speeding charges.
'The government can still buy more and more cameras
which will result in the same thing that our road
toll won't go down or the government could spend
more money on roads and better driver training,'
said Grad. (source)
Camouflaged Speed Cameras a Grab for Cash:
S.A. Opposition Friday, October 13, 2006 (source)
The South Australian Opposition says the use of camouflaged speed cameras in the Adelaide Hills is a massive grab for cash by the State Government.
Last weekend, police caught more than 360 people speeding on the Lobethal to Cudlee Creek Road by using hidden speed cameras.
The Opposition's transport spokesman, Martin Hamilton-Smith, wants the Government to make a commitment that there is no policy to introduce hidden cameras across the state.
"What it will deliver is a huge revenue gain to the state treasury if across country South Australia, across the metropolitan area, black spots and other major roads [are] going to have concealed and camouflaged cameras," he said.
"There'll be an awful lot of people paying an awful lot of money".
"Certainly I'll be now consulting the stakeholders."
I'd like to know whether the community really want this and if the community don't want it then I'll be taking some action in the Parliament to stop it."
The State Government says it has no role in the positioning of speed cameras.
A spokesman for the Transport Minister says decisions about the use of speed cameras are made entirely by police.
Earn a quick buck 18sep05
Drivers have been fined more than $2.5 million in one year for slightly exceeding the 50km/h speed limit on just three city roads.
The revelations have prompted claims of "blatant revenue-raising" amid allegations many motorists are confused about speed limits on wide city streets.
The most lucrative stretch was the six-lane King William Rd between North Adelaide and North Tce, which reaped $926,586 from motorists traveling more than 50km/h but under 60km/h.
A list of the top 10 roads for speeding fines for drivers exceeding the 50km/h speed limit but not going over 60km/h last year shows seven of the 10 were in the Adelaide City Council area.
The figures were released by Police Minister Kevin Foley in answer to a question by independent MP Terry Cameron, a long-time opponent of speed cameras.
"The way they do the 50km/h zones is a bit stuffed up," Mr Cameron said. "I call it (King William Rd) the million-dollar road." The large number of fines shows motorists are confused about speed limits in the Adelaide City Council area, according to councillor Anne Moran.
She said the decision to limit speeds on arterial roads in the city to 50km/h, unlike similar roads outside the city, was "blatant revenue-raising".
"It's like saying `welcome to the city – and here's a $200 fine'," Ms Moran said.
King William Rd ranked number one in the top 10 list of metropolitan roads for the most number of motorists caught speeding between 50km/h and 60km/h by speed cameras in 2004. Other roads in and around the city which were targeted by police were North Tce, Hutt Rd, Jeffcott St and Peacock Rd, all making the top five.
King William Rd averaged more than 100 infringements each week. Motorists were fined an average $169 and lost one demerit point.
In November 2003 council wrote to then transport minister Michael Wright asking for changes to the speed limits on Peacock Rd and King William Rd, but the request was rejected in February 2004.
Again, in April 2004, the council approached Mr Wright to review the decision to keep the Festival Centre portion of King William Rd at 50km/h. In August the request was refused.
Subsequent approaches to Transport SA for approval to place permanent and temporary speed limit signs on the affected roads had met with mixed reactions. A council request to paint speed limits on some roads was made in February 2004, but was not replied to until six months later.
That request was also refused.
"The figures make it plain that there's confusion among Adelaide drivers – the Government is being stubborn in its refusal to explain their position, or to allow for better signage," Ms Moran said.
The 50km/h rules were brought in by the Government in March 2003 with a three month grace period. In the first full year of operation more than 90,000 motorists were caught speeding between the new and old limits and were fined a total of $13.6 million.
The figures also show the most lucrative country road for drivers breaking the 60km/h speed limit was Pine Ave, Hahndorf, with fines of $86,965 for the 12-month period.
South Australia: Speed Cameras Used on Safe Roads
Speed cameras are more often found on safe roads than dangerous roads in South Australia.
Opposition leaders in the South Australian Legislative Council have shown that speed cameras are being used far more frequently on safe roads than they are on dangerous roads. Police figures released during questioning in parliament show that in three years, cameras were used on the region's most dangerous road only thirteen times.
Two additional examples provide the contrast. A road without a speed camera, King William Rd at North Adelaide, had 100 injury accidents. A road where speed cameras were used eighty times, Fiveash Drive south of Adelaide, had only eleven injury accidents, none of which were fatal.
In response to this information, Liberal Member of the Legislative Council Michelle Lensink said, "The Government clearly is using areas where people are known to speed to raise revenue."
In the first six months of last year, speed cameras in the region issued 32,750 tickets generating AUD $3,516,871 in revenue. From March 2002 to January 2005, irate Australians attacked nine speed cameras causing $18,710 in damage. (source)
Engineers will fly from Germany to Adelaide in the next few weeks to try to repair a problem with 19 new speed cameras.
The Transport Department says there appears to be a software problem with the cameras, which cost $100,000 each.
The South Australian Government has committed to purchasing a further eight cameras from the German manufacturer.
The Transport Department's director of Metropolitan and Rural Operations, Flett Steele, says it is disappointing there has been a delay in getting the cameras up and running.
"It seems that randomly they work for a while then switch off, and the local distributor here hasn't been able to pinpoint a problem, which is why they've asked for the engineers from Germany to come out," he said. (source)
What is the best defence against each of these speed measuring devices??
Simple! - "Don't speed" - I hear echo amongst the narrow minded. That's fine, and we agree whole heartedly, but "Don't speed and you won't have to pay a fine" assumes three very important things:
1) The speed limit is clearly indicated (Kwinana Freeway road works with two different posted speed limits on either side of the road ring a bell?)
2) Your car's speedometer is accurate.
3) The radar, laser or speed camera that measures your speed was accurate.
So what happens when you are driving down the road, sitting on 80km/h (according to your speedometer) in an 80km/h stretch of road, but you cop a speeding fine?
We will analyze each SA speed measuring device and discuss the products available:
Hand-held radar:

The Genesis hand held radar gun (made in the USA) operates on K-band. The police officer points the "gun" towards the approaching vehicle and squeezes the trigger. In this "instant on" mode you have little warning if you're the only car on the road. The ideal situation for early warning is if a motorist in front of you is targeted and the radar beam travels past his car, and is detected by you. Most radar detectors (cheap included) will detect the K-band radar at long range.
Dash Mounted radar (aka moving radar) set up in police cars:
The dash mounted Golden Eagle by Kustom Signals operates on K-band. When the police officer is driving
down the road "shooting" at on-coming traffic he is doing it in two ways;
constant on or instant on. In constant on, the radar beam is
constantly transmitting down the road. When an oncoming car enters the
radar's beam, a reflected signal is returned to the gun, and a speed is
displayed on the unit. Again, any decent radar detector will give
advanced warning in this scenario.
In "instant on" the radar unit is powered on, but not transmitting. When the approaching vehicle is within range, the radar gun is then switched on (transmitting) and the target vehicle's speed is displayed within a second or two. "Instant on" radar can be deadly, again, if you're the only car on the road. For this reason it pays to keep a "rabbit" in front of you so he or she is targeted and you detect the radar in advance.
Some pe
ople have queried the possibility of a
radar jammer.
Your most important question
in purchasing a so-called radar jammer should be "does it work?"
You may have seen them advertised on other websites and some magazines:
the passive radar/laser jammers (also known as radar scramblers).
Some passive jammers are
Phantom, Phantom II, Phaser or Phazar, the Phantom III and The Black Widow.
Passive radar Jammers DO NOT WORK!
These "jammers" are usually manufactured by a company called Rocky Mountain
Radar (RMR). We have tested many of their units and we have yet to find one
that works as advertised.
Know what to avoid before you purchase such a passive
jammer, consider reading the "Jamming Testing Report" by Radar Roy first to
find out why we do not sell and/or recommend them.
Active Radar Jammers - Not Much Improvement! You may have also heard of the active radar jammers with the name of Phantom RCD XP or The Scorpion. These do work to a
limited degree.
Active radar jammers like those named above, only jam X, K with any success
and have difficulty jamming Instant on radar. Their effectiveness
against Ka radar is even less, especially at close range. Read a test
report on active radar jammers here.
Hand-held laser (aka lidar):
Laser guns are another "deadly" device in that they can calculate your speed in less than a second. Although most radar detectors include a laser sensor, they usually offer little more than a "ticket notifier" when they go off. Having said that, there ARE circumstances where a laser (detector) can and has, provided adequate warning...although these are few and far times in between. Click on the video below and to the left (allow pop-ups) to watch just how quickly a laser acquires a vehicle's speed.
So what is the best defenses against laser? Well, as far as a detector goes, the best at detecting laser is the Valentine One. Granted we just finished convincing you a detector is useless against laser, but the Valentine One, will give you the best chance of detecting "off-axis" laser from the car in front of you being targeted. For proof that the Valentine is the best unit at detecting laser, you can read Bob's (The Veilguy) Laser Detector test:
"That being stated, these results suggest that, especially in close-range laser encounters, the Valentine 1 is the top performing laser detector, by a wide-margin, followed by the Escort 8500 X50 and more closely, the STi Driver, and the Beltronics RX65 Pro.."
But as aforementioned, just detecting the laser won't be enough. The most cost effective solution is with the use of Veil anti-laser paint. Veil will give you additional seconds warning time when used in conjunction with a good laser detector. You can read more about Veil in our laser jammers section.
The best defense against laser is by the use of an active laser jammer. Unlike most active radar jammers, active laser jammers do work. An active laser jammer will prevent a speed being displayed for a brief time whilst you adjust your speed if necessary. The best laser jammers for the Australian model LTI Ultralyte according to the Guys Of Lidar 2007 test are the Laser Interceptor and the Blinder. You need to look at the results for the Ultralyte 100pps as these are the laser guns used in Australia. The Laser Pro Park finished fifth in the test against these laser guns.
Mobile Speed
Cameras:
The Traffipax speed camera used in SA operates from a car, and as such is able to be deployed to any mobile location by its operator. The Traffipax speed camera operates at 34.3GHz (Ka-band) and at a small power output of 0.2-0.5mw. Only the best radar detectors with a "Ka-narrow" setting can give adequate warning against this type of speed camera.
Fixed Red Light / Speed Cameras:
The best product for alerting to a fixed red light camera is a GPS device that stores these locations in a database. Many GPS manufacturers offer products that add this service (called "point of interest") to their navigation products. A GPS based device is perfectly legal to own and operate in South Australia at the time of writing.
How does each radar detector perform detecting SA radars, lasers & cameras?
Due to the laws banning the use of a
radar detector in South Australia, we cannot recommend the purchase of
any "speed evasion article". There are, however, drivers who choose to
ignore these laws, and purchase a radar detector anyway. Those doing so, would most likely choose a stealth radar detector, as
only stealth radar detectors are 100% invisible to the Stalcar
police radar detector detector (see below)
What are the laws governing the use of radar detectors in
SA?
(1) A person must not sell a radar detector or jammer, or store or offer a radar detector or jammer for sale.
(2) A member of the police force may seize, retain and test any device that he or she has reasonable cause to suspect is a radar detector or jammer.
(3) A device seized under this section is forfeited to the Crown if a person is found guilty of or expiates an offence against this Act in relation to the device.
(4) A device forfeited pursuant to this section must be disposed of in such manner as the Commissioner of Police directs.
(5) In proceedings for an offence against this Act, an allegation in the complaint that a specified device is a radar detector or jammer is proof of the matter so alleged, in the absence of proof to the contrary.
(6) In this section - "radar detector or jammer" includes any device for detecting the use, or preventing the effective use, of a speed measuring device (whether or not the speed measuring device employs radar in its operation).
Can the police determine if you are using a radar detector?
YES!
There are two ways a police officer can tell if you are using a radar detector in your vehicle:
1) By visual detection
If a policeman is operating in-car radar from behind you, and triggers an "instant on" burst, then sees your brake lights ahead, this could suggest you are operating a radar detector
If a Highway Patrol Car is coming towards you and again, turns on it's radar, the sudden "nose dive" of your vehicle's front end is a dead give away
Suction cup marks on the front windscreen
2) By detecting it electronically
All radar detectors (except the Bel STi) emit some electronic noise, even though they are a passive device. Thus a product was created to "listen" for this noise congruent in all radar detectors...and so the RDD was born.
A radar detector detector (RDD) is a device used by police to determine if a vehicle is using, a radar detector. RDD's were brought about by the need for law enforcement officers to determine if a driver was using a radar detector in a state or country where they are illegal.
The first RDD used in the NT was the VG-2 which "listened" for the radio frequency leakage (around 10.5Ghz) emitted by the local oscillator - inherent to all radar detectors. Most radar detectors are now immune to the VG-2 (often referred to as "shadow-technology" but there is a newer RDD out, made by an Australian company; Stealth Micro Systems (SMS) of Australia developed the Stalcar (known as Spectre outside of Australia) and later followed with upgrades, the Spectre 2 and Spectre 3. The Spectre II and III were so successful, that many law enforcement agencies around the world submitted large orders for these devices.
In 2003 the NT began adding the new Stalcar RDD to their arsenal which effectively made all radar detectors (except the Bel STi) vulnerable to detection. If you don't have an STi, expect your old radar to be detected by this RDD unit at a distance of anywhere between 50 and 1000 feet. See the latest Spectre RDD / Radar detector test results from Speed Measurement Labs. As you can see in this test, the only RD to not be detected by any RDD at any range was the Bel STi.
What are the Speeding Fines for SA?
Following the introduction of full time Mobile Random Breath Testing in South Australia in June 2005, new heavier penalties for drink driving have been introduced from 1 December 2005, which include:
Immediate loss of licence for six months if you blow 0.08 - 0.149
Immediate loss of licence for 12 months if you blow 0.15 or more
Demerit points and fines will also continue to apply to drink driving offences and the Court may also impose greater periods of disqualification for drink driving offences.
Loss of licence for second and subsequent offences also applies if you blow 0.05 – 0.079
Additionally from 1 December 2005, a new offence of excessive speeding will also apply to drivers and motorcyclists caught traveling at 45km/h or more above the speed limit. The following penalties will be incurred:
Automatic loss of licence for six months
Six demerit points
Expiation fee of $500
If I wasn't speeding, how can I challenge/beat a speeding fine?
If you have been booked for speeding, and you were, then you should face the music and cough-up. But what if you weren't actually speeding?
Remember that when you are pulled over and booked for speeding, the incident is alleged… not proven! The following rules will ensure you do not make the mistake of answering the police’s questions the wrong way.
Quite often the first question a policeman asks you is "Do you know why I pulled you over"? Here, the policeman is looking for an admission of guilt. By answering him "because I was going too fast?" immediately incriminates you by admitting you were speeding (even if you weren't).
The other question commonly asked by a policeman when he pulls you over is "Why were you speeding?" Again, he or she is looking for an admission of guilt. Do not admit that you were speeding or may have been speeding. There will be no chance of defending yourself in court later on. Remember that you are not under arrest and your only obligation is to hand over your driving license and registration.
Remember the 3 rules when pulled over:
Rule number one is your answer to the question, "Why were you speeding?" Simply reply:
"I was not speeding Officer, I was sitting exactly on the posted speed limit"
Rule number two is your answer to the Officer if he persists in repeating question 1 by saying his equipment (Radar / Laser) has shown that you were speeding. Simply reply,
"I was not speeding Officer, if your equipment says I was then I would strongly suggest that it is faulty. Will you show me the last infringement notice you issued so I may compare to see if their speed was the same as the one you are claiming I was doing?"
In most cases, the policeman will show you your reading but refuse to show you his or her previous infringement fine, citing that he is not obliged to do so.
The third rule is perhaps the most important of all. Under the National Safety Committee guidelines for the use and implementation of Police Speed detection devices, the police are only supposed to be operating them in known "Black Spot" or high accident areas. Innocently ask the question to the policeman,,
"Why are you operating this speed detection device in this area? Is it a known black spot or high accident risk area?"
If you follow the above rules you will stand a good chance of winning your case in court should you wish to defend the infringement. The justice system is there for all of us, not just the police. If you win it costs you nothing! For further information and consultancy about how to defend yourself against and a police Laser (lidar) gun , the mobile radar or a speed camera, contact speeding fine consultants
Remember that when you are pulled over and booked for speeding the incident is
alleged…. not proven!
What are the road fatality statistics for South Australia??
| Year | Road Fatalities |
| 1997 | 148 |
| 1998 | 168 |
| 1999 | 151 |
| 2000 | 166 |
| 2001 | 153 |
| 2002 | 154 |
| 2003 | 157 |
| 2004 | 139 |
| 2005 | 148 |
| 2006 | 117 |
| 2007 to March | 32 |
Summary for police radar, laser and speed cameras in SA.
If radar detectors
were legal to use in South Australia, then the
best radar detector would be the Valentine One.
However due RD's being banned in SA, Delonix cannot and
will not making any recommendations to you. As
mentioned earlier, there are those that choose to ignore
the laws banning radar detectors, and buy a Stealth Radar Detector being 100% invisible to detection by police RDDs.
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