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If you have been given a ticket from a laser gun when you were positive you weren't doing the alleged speed, then YOU MUST WATCH THIS VIDEO!
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Part Two This video also shows how "reflection" can also create errors in speed readings, as well as the slip error as featured in the first video
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This video from a speed laser hobbyist also shows how a slip error can generate an erroneous reading.
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The police and the government would like to have us believe in their "utmost confidence in the accuracy of speed cameras". Of course they would, as a proven fault could cost them millions of dollars in repaid fines and loss of revenue, not to mention a loss of confidence. But how just accurate are the Queensland Gatso speed cameras? As the Gatso mobile speed cameras are set up similarly to the Multanova speed cameras in WA and SA, we shall compare the possible errors these cameras can make.
"As the police officer was not in a position to estimate accurately the speed of the vehicle with the naked eye and did not take meaningful notes, his evidence, apart from the evidence from the Multanova , was not sufficient to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that the motor vehicle owned by the defendant was speeding on the date in question.
Multinova readings are admissible if the surroundings reveal that the evidence is both accurate and enjoys circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness. The circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness were not supplied by the police officer's visual observations. The onus was on the crown to prove that the Multanova was capable of accurately measuring the speed of the defendant's vehicle, while it is not necessary for the Crown to establish through expert evidence how the particular speed detection device works scientifically, there must be relevant and appropriate evidence on the record from which the court can conclude that the device was functioning properly at the time of the alleged offence. The tests performed on the instrument to ensure its accuracy must be approved tests and these tests must satisfy the trier of fact that the instrument is capable of accurately measuring speed. Something other than simply turning the instrument on and relying on it to test itself is required. The fact (assuming that such a fact was established) that the "self-test" performed in this case is all that is required by the manufacturer does not mean that the test is an "approved test". The "self-test" was insufficient to satisfy the required circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness." (source)
Haywire Speed Camera Flashes the Innocent - 5/7/06
In
Cumbria a UK speed camera certified as accurate a
few months ago has been sending tickets to innocent
motorists.
The speed camera situated in the South Lakeland area of Cumbria had been flashing motorists who were driving at or under the 40 MPH speed limit. The camera partnership responsible for operating the device had recognized the problem only after innocent motorists called to protest the unjust charges. The Cumbria Speed Camera Partnership now says it will not prosecute motorists for driving the speed limit and claims none have been wrongly ticketed.
"The flash on this type of camera is allowed to be set at a different speed to the speed of the penalty threshold," Cumbria Partnership Manager Steve Callaghan explained.
On March 1, 2006 the company RedSpeed International, Ltd. had certified that the device located on the A591 at Ings was 100 percent accurate. RedSpeed is not an independent testing laboratory without a financial stake in the results. Rather, according to the company's website, "Our main function is to market the RedSpeed range of traffic related equipment for traffic law enforcement."
26-1-2004
On the Tonight program hosted by Trevor MacDonald
the speed trap detector subject was hotly debated by
various people including Ernie Harbon who was jailed
for refusing to pay a speeding fine, his offence was
38 in a 30 zone.
Because of the open road layout and lack of serious hazards poor Ernie wrongly assumed that it was a 40 zone, so it would seem that at 38mph he thought that he was being a law abiding citizen. That stretch of road has no 30 mph speed limit signs. When Richard Bentley (an independent expert) was consulted, he agreed that that type of road would normally be a 40 zone. Ernie was given the prisoner number JH7915 and locked up with murderers and drug addicts for his crime against society.
Other comments came from Steve Walsh a former traffic cop who supplied evidence that some speed traps have monthly revenue targets that they have to attain. He also said that there is an imbalance between the way that a bad motorist is treated for dangerous driving who may kill or injure somebody and a normally conscienscous driver who strays over the speed limit in seemingly safe conditions. He did say that he supports speed cameras in the right areas. He also went on to say that some speeding convictions are based on spurious radar readings and that this is very common, especially when Rover 2000s, high sided vehicles or Transit vans with roller shutter doors are involved at the time a Gatso camera is activated. One speeding offence seemed to be over 400mph.
One individual interviewed had the title Captain Gatso and is a self styled Gatso vigilante, if he spots a Gatso camera in an area where he doesn't believe it is necessary and is there purely to collect revenue he may damage it in some way, and there are plenty of supporters in his efforts.
Quentin Wilson also spoke out against the inappropriate sighting of speed traps and commented that we haven't seen this sort of civil defiance since the Poll Tax (source)
Gatso's seem to have problems with trucks/high sided vehicles and will give an inaccurate speed reading - even if the truck is stationary! The police are meant to carefully revue all high sided vehicle NIP's before sending them out - so if you get a NIP and you were not speeding (or even moving!), request the photographs and this evidence should easily clear you. Also if you truck has a tacho. check it and if it proves you were not speeding then send them a copy. (source)
Engineer Bryn Carlyon was issued a ticket by a traffic speed camera in Cardiff, UK. But he used multiple timed snaps by the camera, plus a little basic math, to PROVE IN COURT that he could not have been traveling at the speed on his citation. The case was dropped "due to insufficient evidence" and he received an apology from the Mid and South Wales Safety Camera Partnership, but Carlyon won't drop it himself. He's working to overturn the decision for the benefit of mankind: "I need the verdict to say that this was not dropped through lack of evidence -- it was dropped because it was a false prosecution," he told a local reporter. (source)
SPEED
CAMERA GETS IT WRONG - by CLIFF MOGG
A POLICE speed camera error on the notorious A325
road at Farnborough led to the wrong motorist being
prosecuted, it was revealed this week.
Mrs Wendy Fitzpatrick was stunned when she received
a fixed penalty notice claiming she had broken the
speed limit on the 30mph dual carriageway section of
the road earlier this month.
She protested that she had not been speeding – and
after initially refusing to budge, the police now
agree with her.
In an amazing admission, they said the speed limit
was being broken by a car travelling in the opposite
direction.
The speed device had clocked that car doing 36mph,
but had photographed the number plate of her
Vauxhall Astra Estate.
Mrs Fitzpatrick, who lives in Dorset, said on
Monday: "How many other motorists has this happened
to, with the result that they have been fined and
had points placed on their licence?"
"They say the camera never lies, but it did in my
case."
She said it was only her inside knowledge of the
speed camera system, gained from her previous job,
that forced police to admit they had made a mistake.
"If it hadn’t been for my persistence I could have
lost my 45-year clean driving record," said Mrs
Fitzpatrick who lived in the Farnborough area until
two years ago.
She has now written to Hampshire Chief Constable
Paul Kernaghan protesting at the stress and worry
the incident caused her.
Julian Hewitt, press spokesman for the Safety Camera
Partnership which oversees the speed traps, blamed
the incident on two human errors and one by a
machine.
He said the initial slip-up was caused by the camera
operator moving his camera too rapidly between the
speeding car and Mrs Fitzpatrick’s vehicle.
"The digitising system that picks up the offences
identified the wrong car," he said.
Mr Hewitt said normally such an error was picked up
during the rigorous checking system in his office.
"This is a very rare coincidence of three failures
in that system, and we are confident that it does
not represent a significant problem," he added. (source)
What is the best defence against each of these speed measuring devices??
Simple! - "Don't speed" - I hear echo amongst the narrow minded. That's fine, and we agree whole heartedly, but "Don't speed and you won't have to pay a fine" assumes three very important things:
1) The speed limit is clearly indicated (Kwinana Freeway road works with two different posted speed limits on either side of the road ring a bell?)
2) Your car's speedometer is accurate.
3) The radar, laser or speed camera that measures your speed was accurate.
So what happens when you are driving down the road, sitting on 80km/h (according to your speedometer) in an 80km/h stretch of road, but you cop a speeding fine?
Dash Mounted radar (aka moving radar) set up in police cars:

The KR10-SP manufactured by Kustom Signals Inc in the USA was one of the first dash mounted radars used in QLD police cars. When transmitting in "constant on" you will be able to detect the long-range radar beam with any reasonable radar detector. Due to the laws governing the use of radar detectors in QLD, only the Bel STi is unable to be detected by the Stalcar RDD
The
Genesis Select II dash mounted radar by Decatur
Electronics operates on Ka-band. Many old X/K
(only) band detectors were caught out when the police
began using Ka-band radar as well. The Ka-band
radar is not as easy to detect as X or K-band, but as
above, you will be
able to detect the radar with any good radar detector.
Due to the laws governing the use of radar detectors in
QLD, only the Bel STi is unable to be detected by the Stalcar RDD
At this point, some people have asked the question about radar jamming.
Your most important question
in purchasing a so-called radar jammer should be "does it work?"
You may have seen them advertised on other websites and some magazines:
the passive radar/laser jammers (also known as radar scramblers).
Some passive jammers are
Phantom, Phantom II, Phaser or Phazar, the Phantom III and The Black Widow.
Passive radar Jammers DO NOT WORK!
These "jammers" are usually manufactured by a company called Rocky Mountain
Radar (RMR). We have tested many of their units and we have yet to find one
that works as advertised.
Know what to avoid before you purchase such a passive
jammer, consider reading the "Jamming Testing Report" by Radar Roy first to
find out why we do not sell and/or recommend them.
Active Radar Jammers - Not Much Improvement! You may have also heard of the active radar jammers with the name of Phantom RCD XP or The Scorpion. These do work to a
limited degree.
Active radar jammers like those named above, only jam X, K with any success
and have difficulty jamming Instant on radar. Their effectiveness
against Ka radar is even less, especially at close range. Read a test
report on active radar jammers here.
Hand-held laser (aka lidar):

Laser guns are another "deadly" device in that they can calculate your speed in less than a second. Although most radar detectors include a laser sensor, they usually offer little more than a "ticket notifier" when they go off. Having said that, there ARE circumstances where a laser (detector) can and has, provided adequate warning...although these are few and far times in between. Click on the video below and to the left (allow pop-ups) to watch just how quickly a laser acquires a vehicle's speed.
So what is the best defenses against laser? Well, as far as a detector goes, the best at detecting laser is the Valentine One. Granted we just finished convincing you a detector is useless against laser, but the Valentine One, will give you the best chance of detecting "off-axis" laser from the car in front of you being targeted. For proof that the Valentine is the best unit at detecting laser, you can read Bob's (The Veilguy) Laser Detector test:
"That being stated, these results suggest that, especially in close-range laser encounters, the Valentine 1 is the top performing laser detector, by a wide-margin, followed by the Escort 8500 X50 and more closely, the STi Driver, and the Beltronics RX65 Pro.."
But as aforementioned, just detecting the laser won't be enough. The most cost effective solution is with the use of Veil anti-laser paint. Veil will give you additional seconds warning time when used in conjunction with a good laser detector. You can read more about Veil in our laser jammers section.
The best defense against laser is by the use of an active laser jammer. Unlike most active radar jammers, active laser jammers do work. An active laser jammer will prevent a speed being displayed for a brief time whilst you adjust your speed if necessary. The best laser jammers for the Australian model LTI Ultralyte according to the Guys Of Lidar 2007 test are the Laser Interceptor and the Blinder. You need to look at the results for the Ultralyte 100pps as these are the laser guns used in Australia. The Laser Pro Park finished fifth in the test against these laser guns.
Mobile Speed Cameras:

Gatso mobile speed cameras in Qld operate on K-band and are always transmitting ("constant on"). For that reason, they are detected with reasonable ease with a decent radar detector. The best radar detector for picking up K-band radar is the Valentine One, but this detector is NOT invisible to police RDD. The only radar detector that is invisible to RDD is the Bel STi.
Fixed Red Light Cameras:
The
best product for alerting to a fixed red light camera is a GPS device that
stores these locations in a database. Many GPS manufacturers offer
products that add this service (called "point of interest") to their
navigation products. A GPS based device is perfectly legal to own and
operate in Queensland at the time of writing.
How does each radar detector perform detecting QLD radars, lasers & cameras?
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Bel Vector 995 |
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Summary for
best radar detector for QLD:
Due to the laws banning the use of a
radar detector in Queensland, we cannot recommend the purchase of
any "speed evasion article". There are, however, drivers who choose to
ignore these laws, and purchase a radar detector anyway. Those doing so, would most likely choose a stealth radar detector, as
only stealth radar detectors are 100% invisible to the Stalcar
police radar detector detector (see below)
What are the laws governing the use of radar detectors in QLD
225. (1) A person must not drive a vehicle if the vehicle has in or on it-
(a) a device for preventing the effective use of a speed measuring device; or
(b) a device for detecting the use of a speed measuring device.
Maximum penalty-40 penalty units.
225. (2) Subsection (1) applies to a device whether or not the device is operating or in working order.
Can the police determine if you are using a radar detector?
YES!
There are two ways a police officer can tell if you are using a radar detector in your vehicle:
1) By visual detection
If a policeman is operating in-car radar from behind you, and triggers an "instant on" burst, then sees your brake lights ahead, this could suggest you are operating a radar detector
If a Highway Patrol Car is coming towards you and again, turns on it's radar, the sudden "nose dive" of your vehicle's front end is a dead give away
Suction cup marks on the front windscreen
2) By detecting it electronically
All radar detectors (except the Bel STi) emit some electronic noise, even though they are a passive device. Thus a product was created to "listen" for this noise congruent in all radar detectors...and so the RDD was born.
A radar detector detector (RDD) is a device used by police to determine if a vehicle is using, a radar detector. RDD's were brought about by the need for law enforcement officers to determine if a driver was using a radar detector in a state or country where they are illegal.
The first RDD used in the NT was the VG-2 which "listened" for the radio frequency leakage (around 10.5Ghz) emitted by the local oscillator - inherent to all radar detectors. Most radar detectors are now immune to the VG-2 (often referred to as "shadow-technology" but there is a newer RDD out, made by an Australian company; Stealth Micro Systems (SMS) of Australia developed the Stalcar (known as Spectre outside of Australia) and later followed with upgrades, the Spectre 2 and Spectre 3. The Spectre II and III were so successful, that many law enforcement agencies around the world submitted large orders for these devices.
In 2003 the NT began adding the new Stalcar RDD to their arsenal which effectively made all radar detectors (except the Bel STi) vulnerable to detection. If you don't have an STi, expect your old radar to be detected by this RDD unit at a distance of anywhere between 50 and 1000 feet. See the latest Spectre RDD / Radar detector test results from Speed Measurement Labs. As you can see in this test, the only RD to not be detected by any RDD at any range was the Bel STi.
What are the Speeding Fines for QLD?

If I wasn't speeding, how can I challenge/beat a speeding fine?
If you have been booked for speeding, and you were, then you should face the music and cough-up. But what if you weren't actually speeding?
Remember that when you are pulled over and booked for speeding, the incident is alleged… not proven! The following rules will ensure you do not make the mistake of answering the police’s questions the wrong way.
Quite often the first question a policeman asks you is "Do you know why I pulled you over"? Here, the policeman is looking for an admission of guilt. By answering him "because I was going too fast?" immediately incriminates you by admitting you were speeding (even if you weren't).
The other question commonly asked by a policeman when he pulls you over is "Why were you speeding?" Again, he or she is looking for an admission of guilt. Do not admit that you were speeding or may have been speeding. There will be no chance of defending yourself in court later on. Remember that you are not under arrest and your only obligation is to hand over your driving license and registration.
Remember the 3 rules when pulled over:
Rule number one is your answer to the question, "Why were you speeding?" Simply reply:
"I was not speeding Officer, I was sitting exactly on the posted speed limit"
Rule number two is your answer to the Officer if he persists in repeating question 1 by saying his equipment (Radar / Laser) has shown that you were speeding. Simply reply,
"I was not speeding Officer, if your equipment says I was then I would strongly suggest that it is faulty. Will you show me the last infringement notice you issued so I may compare to see if their speed was the same as the one you are claiming I was doing?"
In most cases, the policeman will show you your reading but refuse to show you his or her previous infringement fine, citing that he is not obliged to do so.
The third rule is perhaps the most important of all. Under the National Safety Committee guidelines for the use and implementation of Police Speed detection devices, the police are only supposed to be operating them in known "Black Spot" or high accident areas. Innocently ask the question to the policeman,,
"Why are you operating this speed detection device in this area? Is it a known black spot or high accident risk area?"
If you follow the above rules you will stand a good chance of winning your case in court should you wish to defend the infringement. The justice system is there for all of us, not just the police. If you win it costs you nothing! For further information and consultancy about how to defend yourself against and a police Laser (lidar) gun , the mobile radar or a speed camera, contact speeding fine consultants
Remember that when you are pulled over and booked for speeding the incident is
alleged…. not proven!
What are the road fatality statistics for Queensland??
Year
Road Fatalities
1997
360
1998
279
1999
314
2000
317
2001
324
2002
322
2003
310
2004
311
2005
330
2006
336
2007 to March
86
Summary for police radar, laser and speed cameras in QLD.
If radar detectors were legal to use in the Queensland then the best radar detector would be the Valentine One. However due RD's being banned in QLD, Delonix cannot and will not making any recommendations to you. As mentioned earlier, there are those that choose to ignore the laws banning radar detectors, and buy a Stealth Radar Detector being 100% invisible to detection by police RDDs.
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