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		<title>Double Demerits doesn&#8217;t work, so let&#8217;s try double the fines instead? &#8211; RAC</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 12:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<br/>The RAC calls for speeding fines to be doubled during holiday periods According to an independent review, DOUBLE-DEMERIT penalties in Western Australia have NOT cut road deaths. In fact the figures show fatal car crashes have jumped almost 50 per cent on holidays and long weekends since double-demerit points came into force in 2002. The [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<br/><p>The RAC calls for speeding fines to be doubled during holiday periods</p>
<p>According to an independent review, DOUBLE-DEMERIT penalties in Western Australia have NOT cut road deaths.</p>
<p>In fact the figures show fatal car crashes have jumped <strong>almost 50 per cent on holidays and long weekends since double-demerit points came into force in 2002</strong>.</p>
<p>The revelations have sparked calls from the RAC for fines &#8211; not just demerit points &#8211; to be doubled to send motorists a &#8220;sharp message&#8221;.</p>
<p>That would mean the fine for not wearing a seat belt would jump from $500 to $1000 and the penalty for exceeding the speed limit by 15km/h would rise from $150 to $300 during double-demerit periods.</p>
<p>A report by independent researcher Synovate showed the average number of fatal crashes during double-demerit times was 0.71 a day in 2008 compared with 0.48 a day in 2002 &#8211; an increase of 48 per cent.</p>
<p>The report also showed the average number of crashes causing injury during double-demerit periods had increased by nearly two a day between 2004 and 2008, rising from 15.31 to 17.02.</p>
<p>WA has about 40 double-demerit days each year, including the Easter and Christmas breaks.</p>
<p>RAC spokesman Matt Brown said stiffer penalties should be considered to reinforce the impact of double demerits.</p>
<p>&#8220;We think the Government should look at whether financial penalties should be doubled on holiday periods as well, to send an even sharper message to people,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>&#8220;These are the most dangerous times on our roads and you have to accept a higher responsibility to act safely during those times.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mr Brown said more cars on the road at holiday time had contributed to the increasing toll, but he called for a review of the demerits policy to ensure the scheme was having an impact.</p>
<p>&#8220;The double-demerits system has a good awareness level and strong support in the community, but that doesn&#8217;t mean the system we introduced all those years ago doesn&#8217;t need to evolve,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>Mr Brown also wants double demerits for drivers using mobile phones without a hands-free set. Currently only speeding, drink-driving and seatbelt offences attract double demerits.</p>
<p>Opposition road safety spokeswoman Margaret Quirk agreed stiffer fines and penalties should be considered, but Police Minister Rob Johnson said existing double-demerits legislation was reducing the total number of crashes on WA roads. He said the Government had no plans to double fines.</p>
<p>Office of Road Safety executive director Iain Cameron said the increase in holiday fatalities between 2001and 2008 was significantly lower than fatal crashes in non-holiday periods.</p>
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		<title>Independent MP Bob Such loses his laser camera court challenge</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<br/>INDEPENDENT MP Bob Such is thousands of dollars out of pocket after losing a court battle against a speeding fine. The long-serving MP and former Liberal Cabinet minister had challenged the accuracy of hand held laser guns in the Adelaide Magistrates Court after police detected him travelling at 69km/h in a 50km/h zone at Aberfoyle [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<br/><p>INDEPENDENT MP Bob Such is thousands of dollars out of pocket after losing a court battle against a speeding fine.</p>
<p>The long-serving MP and former Liberal Cabinet minister had challenged the accuracy of hand held laser guns in the Adelaide Magistrates Court after police detected him travelling at 69km/h in a 50km/h zone at Aberfoyle Park in January 2008.</p>
<p>Dr Such went to trial, telling the court he was not speeding and questioning other errors made by the motorbike officer, Constable Gregory Thompson, who issued a $300 fine.</p>
<p>Today, Magistrate Joanne Tracy found &#8220;the laser was operated and read correctly&#8221; and therefore, Dr Such was guilty of speeding.</p>
<p>She found Dr Such had not proved the laser was inaccurate.</p>
<p>The court heard he had no previous convictions for speeding.</p>
<p>She ordered Dr Such pay the original fine, plus prosecution trial and hearing costs totalling $1020. He was also ordered to pay court costs and a victims of crime levy.</p>
<p>Dr Such &#8211; who has represented the southern suburbs electorate of Fisher since 1989 &#8211; has previously said the cost of preparing a defence was about $10,000.</p>
<p>He had said he was fighting the fine because &#8220;you cannot put a price on integrity&#8221;.</p>
<p>During the trial, Dr Such had sought a court order for independent testing of the police laser gun, which was refused.</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Isn&#8217;t that simply disgusting? If you can&#8217;t seek an independant test of the police laser guns, how can you possibly defend your innocence in court? This is how bad the system has become &#8211; and proves how bad they want to keep their revenue raising cash register&#8217;s flaws a secret.</span></p>
<p>Outside court, a surprised Michael Woods, for Dr Such, said the finding would be appealed to the Supreme Court.</p>
<p>He said the ruling would affect ordinary members of the public who could not afford to contest a fine.</p>
<p>&#8220;`There&#8217;s a lot of members of the public that are left in a similar position where the cost of fighting these matters is ridiculous and its outweighed with the weight against the accused,&#8221; Mr Woods said.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s almost got to the position where it&#8217;s a reversal of the onus of proof and that&#8217;s what scares the poor members of the public off on these sort of matters because you can&#8217;t afford to fight it.&#8221;</p>
<p>He said he found it surprising the police would not hand over the laser &#8220;that they so cherish&#8221; for independent testing.</p>
<p>&#8220;I would have thought that in this day and age we could be more open about that.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Eastlink Speed Camera on Wellington Road</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<br/>Neil Mitchell Okay – Eastlink.  Now there might be a way of getting to the bottom of this because we keep getting these calls of about Eastlink specifically Wellington Road.  The drivers – well, some have got cruise control, some are quite sure, some are speed limits.  The others have got – well, one had [...]]]></description>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell</td>
<td valign="top">Okay – Eastlink.  		Now there might be a way of getting to the bottom of this because  		we keep <strong><em>getting </em></strong>these calls of about Eastlink specifically Wellington  		Road.  The drivers – well,  		some have got cruise control, some are quite sure, some are speed  		limits.  The others have got  		– well, one had – a van that that, just couldn’t go that  		fast.  It’s been going on for  		weeks and weeks and weeks.</p>
<p>Now I’m afraid I’m yet to be convinced. Maybe I’m over suspicious here  		but two weeks ago, we spoke to Super intendent Shane Patton from the  		traffic camera office and unequivocally&#8230; he stands by them.</td>
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<td valign="top">Superintendent Shane Patton :</td>
<td valign="top">We’ve only had these cameras in since September so  		we are obviously umm pretty keen to be making sure it’s tested constantly  		which we do and maintain that they’re all certified and independently  		tested and sealed.  And it’s not  		new technology for us either.  So  		there’s no reason why we have any issues.  		We put this technology up on the the Western Ring Road on the 5<sup>th</sup> April last year and we’ve been maintaining the same system so it’s  		not a new system.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">Why is it that I am not getting complaints from the  		Western Ring Road but I’m getting dozens and dozens and dozens of  		complaints from this one particular camera?</td>
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<td valign="top">Superintendent Shane Patton :</td>
<td valign="top">What it is, it’s the situation that people are not  		used to the camera’s being there even though we went out and told them  		and they&#8217;ve got a rude shock.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">Okay, a rude shock would be a fair comment.  		Now, we’ve got a specific complaint here from a bloke who does  		carry perhaps more credibility the most of us when it comes to this  		issue.  He’s a former police  		officer &#8211; John Dargie.</p>
<p>Hi, John.</td>
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<td valign="top">John Dargie:</td>
<td valign="top">How are you?</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">What was your job in the force?</td>
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<td valign="top">John Dargie:</td>
<td valign="top">[Chuckles]  		Well, I was in there for 25 years but I spent a lot of, the initial &#8211; a  		lot of time at the traffic camera office</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">Okay.</td>
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<td valign="top">John Dague:</td>
<td valign="top">When we first started, I remember speaking to you  		but I was setting one up on the side of the road.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">Okay.   		So you work in the traffic camera office.</td>
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<td valign="top">John Dague:</td>
<td valign="top">Yeah.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">You have been booked on the Eastlink. Do you  		think it was accurate?</td>
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<td valign="top">John Dague:</td>
<td valign="top">No.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">Why not?</td>
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<td valign="top">John Dague:</td>
<td valign="top">Well, I know Eastlink.  		I’ve only been in their office talking to ex-work mates at the 		traffic camera office only a couple of weeks earlier talking about the Eastlink cameras and I know exactly where it is.  		And I travelled it twice a day and religiously drive at a hundred  		K’s.  I’m especially there  		and even dropped below a hundred K’s because I know it’s there.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">Is there any possibility your speedo is wrong?</td>
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<td valign="top">John Dague:</td>
<td valign="top">No.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">Is there any possibility you just had a momentary  		lapse?</td>
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<td valign="top">John Dague:</td>
<td valign="top">No.  No,  		I was there religiously. I look at the speedo all the time.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">So what are you going to do about it?</td>
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<td valign="top">John Dague:</td>
<td valign="top">Well, I’m going to contest it.  		I’m taking it to court and I would advise everybody else to do  		the same.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">You’re quite convinced with your expertise and  		knowledge of the area that this is wrong?</td>
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<td valign="top">John Dague:</td>
<td valign="top">Yep, sure.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell</td>
<td valign="top">And you go to court.</td>
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<td valign="top">John Dague:</td>
<td valign="top">It should be turned off until they resolve this  		problem.  It’s just weight of  		numbers.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">John, sorry?</td>
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<td valign="top">John Dague:</td>
<td valign="top">Weight of numbers &#8211; just the complaints you’re  		getting.  There is definitely  		something wrong with it.   		I’m sure Dave Axup has –  he knows me as Horry.  But I know Dave would  		be able to sort something out with it.  		He knows my credibility.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">Well, let’s stay with us John because I’ve got  		David Axup, former chief super of traffic in Victoria.  		The man who introduced speed cameras to Victoria originally.  		Originally David Axup – Hello.</td>
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<td valign="top">David Axup:</td>
<td valign="top">Good morning Neil… morning Horry.</td>
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<td valign="top">Harry:</td>
<td valign="top">Good morning Dave, how are you?</td>
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<td valign="top">David Axup:</td>
<td valign="top">Good mate.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">So if Horry recons he wasn’t booked do you think  		it&#8217;s a fair case, David?</td>
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<td valign="top">David Axup:</td>
<td valign="top">Well I’d recon if Horry says he wasn’t speeding,  		I’d take Horry’s word for it.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">All right, so what do we do?  		I mean, the police obviously believe that they’re right and that  		wouldn’t be making that up.   		They’re quite convinced they’re okay.  		What are the options? How do we check them independently?</td>
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<td valign="top">David Axup:</td>
<td valign="top">Well, because the road is consistent in terms of  		its geometry and we’ve got other the cameras on that road and we’ve got a perfect way doing it.  We  		obviously know &#8211; well Eastlink know how many vehicles use it because  		that is where they get the revenue from.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">Yeah.</td>
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<td valign="top">David Axup:</td>
<td valign="top">Now, they would know at each toll point how many  		vehicles go through and the cameras are set up at the toll points.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">Yeah.</td>
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<td valign="top">David Axup:</td>
<td valign="top">So, if we look at say, the Wellington, well look take Cantebry Road for  		instance.  There’s a toll point near Cantebry Road.  Let’s say that we get 15,000 vehicles through there and 13 percent of them are  		speeding.  In the Brackets where  		they&#8217;re going to get a photo, that&#8217;s 1950 vehicles.  		If we go to Wellington road which is a bit further out, 		  depending on which way you’re  		going I suppose.  If we go to  		Wellington road and for some reason the volume drops then we should  		still expect to get around about that same sort of speed distributions  		so therefore around about 13% of the vehicles in the offense bracket  		which would mean we would get at that place, 1300.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">So what your saying is we need to get the figures  		of how many cars went through in this particular lane I suppose?</td>
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<td valign="top">David Axup:</td>
<td valign="top">If possible, yes.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">And, what percentage of them were would booked in  		different cameras?</td>
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<td valign="top">David Axup:</td>
<td valign="top">Yes.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">And if the Wellington Road camera jumps up and  		says, you know fifty percent were book and everybody else is 10 %, we’ve got  		a case.</td>
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<td valign="top">David Axup:</td>
<td valign="top">That’s  		right.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">So, who do we get those figures from?</td>
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<td valign="top">David Axup:</td>
<td valign="top">Well Eastlink would have the volume  figures for  		sure because that’s where they get their revenue.  Now obviously the traffic camera office or the justice  		department or whoever keeps size figures will know how many vehicles are  		booked at each site.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">Are they allowed to give us that?</td>
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<td valign="top">David Axup:</td>
<td valign="top">Why not?</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">Well John, or Horry, John do you know what lane… Sorry?</td>
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<td valign="top">Harry:</td>
<td valign="top">There&#8217;s no cameras on the gantrys?</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">There aren’t.</td>
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<td valign="top">Harry:</td>
<td valign="top">No.   		There’s only a camera a Wellington Road Bridge and Dandenong Bypass  		bridge and within the tunnel.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">Oh&#8230; Was that confusing us David?</td>
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<td valign="top">David Axup:</td>
<td valign="top">No.  We  		would go for the gantry immediately upstream of the camera.  		As long as there is no exit between that gantry or between the  		counting gantry and between camera we would go for that one upstream.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">And is there only one camera on Wellington Road or  		several?</td>
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<td valign="top">John:</td>
<td valign="top">One on each lane.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">One in each lane.  		So we have to establish which lane people are being booked in,  		do we?</td>
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<td valign="top">David Axup</td>
<td valign="top">You&#8217;d be looking on the distribution across the  		lines, they’re..</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">Okay, well that might help as well.</td>
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<td valign="top">David Axup</td>
<td valign="top">Well, we would expect a slightly higher percentage in the upside or the fast lane if  		you like because people who are moving along would tend to go to the right  		hand lane.  So you would  		look at the distribution across the lanes.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">All right… all right.  		So what do we do?   		I’ve got to go to Eastlink and say we want these flow figures and I’ve gotta go  		to police or justice department and say we want the figure for how many  		are booked.</td>
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<td valign="top">David Axup</td>
<td valign="top">Yes.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">Or the percentage of booking.</td>
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<td valign="top">David Axup</td>
<td valign="top">Yes. Well you want the –</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">Or how many.</td>
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<td valign="top">David Axup</td>
<td valign="top">Well you want the raw data on how many – How many  		are booked and for preference, how many are booked in each of the  		groups for which the tickets are issued.  		So we know if you are up to 15 Ks over the limit you’re in one  		bracket and then so forth.   		If you can get those that’s even better.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">Well the police should want to give them to us.  		So they think they’re okay so they want to clear it up.  		And if they won’t give them to us we can do an FOI to try to get them.</td>
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<td valign="top">David Axup</td>
<td valign="top">I’m surprised they haven’t done that already given the fuss that you’ve kicked up.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">Well they may have.  		What does your instinct say David?  		Is there a problem here or not?</td>
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<td valign="top">David Axup</td>
<td valign="top">Well, my instinct tells me your getting too many  		complaints for there not to be some sort of issue.  		It maybe that there is another  issue  		involved in this particular location but the number of complaints that  		your getting for that one and not for other cameras along Eastlink says  		will hang on hold the phone and we’ll go back to the ring road.  		There were other cameras on the ring road and if the time 178 km/h 120Y.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">Yes.</td>
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<td valign="top">David Axup</td>
<td valign="top">But you weren&#8217;t  		getting any complaints for them.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">All right, so if we can get this data and we’ll  		go searching for it now you can help analyze it for us?</td>
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<td valign="top">David Axup</td>
<td valign="top">Oh yeah, sure.  		That’s a simple matter.</td>
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<td valign="top">Alright, former chief Superintendent David Axup who  		will help us with the John Dargie former speed camera man in the Victoria  		Police Force who is gonna fight it in court.  		Both of them with a lot of experience.Now  and I  		don’t doubt VicPol  think they’re okay but there are two very experienced  		ex-coppers worried about it.  		And how do you contest it?  		Well, it tells you on the ticket what you’ve got to do about it.</p>
<p>Brett,  hello Brett.</td>
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<td valign="top">Brett:</td>
<td valign="top">Good day Neil, hello.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">Okay.</td>
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<td valign="top">Brett:</td>
<td valign="top">That’s right.  		I’m 44.  I’ve been  		driving for 26 years.  I’ve  		never so much as had a parking fine let alone a speeding ticket.  		And I received on e on there the other day.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">And on Wellington Road?</td>
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<td valign="top">Brett:</td>
<td valign="top">Yeah Wellington Road.  		Yeah.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">What’s speed?</td>
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<td valign="top">Brett:</td>
<td valign="top">1-0-8 down to 1-0-6.  		And I’ve <strong>never </strong>had a speeding ticket in my life.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">And you’d be quite sure that you weren’t speeding  		there?</td>
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<td valign="top">Brett:</td>
<td valign="top">Yeah, a hundred percent.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">You’re going to fight it?</td>
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<td valign="top">Brett:</td>
<td valign="top">I’m  		going to put it in a letter to the people just to apeal it.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">Yeah.</td>
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<td valign="top">Brett:</td>
<td valign="top">If I can drive for 25 years to 26 years and not  		have a ticket.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">Well, they should wave your ticket on that basis.  		It’s normal procedure.</td>
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<td valign="top">Brett:</td>
<td valign="top">Yes, yes.</td>
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<td valign="top">Neil Mitchell:</td>
<td valign="top">Well, let us know how it goes Brett, thank you very much.  We will  		go to Eastlink and ask for the detail  David Axup wants.  We’ll go  		to the police and ask the detail  David Axup wants and I would  		hope that the police would cooperate because – I mean it&#8217;s not in their interest to have a camera that’s dodgy.  		We, well if we can get the figures, we can get an answer very  		quickly.</td>
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		<title>Queensland Motorcycle Rider beats speeding fine in court</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<br/>A motorcyclist from Queensland won his day in court, beating an alleged speeding ticket of 92km/h in a 60km/h zone. What was interesting about his case, was that when he questioned the police officer whom wrote him the ticket on the day, it was discovered that the NINE people before [him] and FOUR people after [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<br/><p>A motorcyclist from Queensland won his day in court, beating an alleged speeding ticket of 92km/h in a 60km/h zone.</p>
<p>What was interesting about his case, was that when he questioned the police officer whom wrote him the ticket on the day, it was discovered that the NINE people before [him] and FOUR people after him had also been booked for&#8230;. wait for it&#8230;. 92km/h in a 60km/h zone.</p>
<p>The ramifications of this information coming to light suggested the police officer was not actually using the laser gun to book speeding motorists, but instead keeping the same reading (92km/h) showing on the display of the laser gun. Unless a laser gun is activated, it continues to display the last speed clocked on it&#8217;s display.</p>
<p>The police officer got caught out in this case because the rider knew there was no way he was doing the accused 92km/h. And seriously, how stupid does one have to be to write FIFTEEN consecutive tickets all at the same speed?</p>
<p>This just goes to show the corruption, laziness and many other words one could write about the speed ticket business. Imagine a sworn police officer fabricating alleged speeds in order to book motorists, by using the same reading on his laser gun FIFTEEN times in a row! It&#8217;s absolutely disgusting, but no doubt, no disclipinary action will be taken on the officer.</p>
<p>Here is the rider&#8217;s take on the court proceedings:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;With the police officer in the witness box all sworn in I was questioning the constable&#8217;s road position at the time (15 months ago on Mt Mee). </em></p>
<p><em>We exchanged some technical questions about the laser device calibration and after some 10 min into the questioning time I wanted to know how long he spent that day booking people. </em></p>
<p><em>This question was to lead into the laser gun being used that whole day coming down the mountain, something that is not allowed according to the rules on the device. </em></p>
<p><em>At this point the constable started to get more and more agitated with me something which made him accusing of being the worst offender on that day, stating to the court that I was the only one doing 92 in a 60 zone. </em></p>
<p><em>So as he said that I asked him if he has proof of that and he said yes, he had a list with all fines issued on that particular morning <img title="Rolling Eyes" src="http://www.ozbikers.com/phpbb2/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" /> I then demanded to see that, so the bailiff went to get the paper for me and one for the judge. </em></p>
<p><em>As I looked through the list I noticed that all offenders on that day totaling 9 before me being done and 4 after me had been booked at the exact speed 92 in a 60 zone <img title="Rolling Eyes" src="http://www.ozbikers.com/phpbb2/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" /><br />
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<p><em>As I saw this I was skeptical then I started to question this highly suspicious fine speeds&#8230; At this time the judge stopped me and said that he must have used the same speed recording on the radar gun to all offenders, making this matter highly questionable. </em></p>
<p><em>He also recommended that the constable gets more training on how to use the device correctly, and that all other people involved on that day to be notified immediately of this decision. </em></p>
<p><em>All fines are to be reimbursed and points awarded back because of this ruling&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Great to see &#8220;the little guy&#8221; have a win against the corruptive goliath.</p>
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		<title>New Zealand Speed Cameras Doubled Speed Readings for Trucks!</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<br/>New Zealand refunds speed camera tickets issued to trucks after speed readings prove to be bogus (source: Dominion Post &#8211; New Zealand) New Zealand truckBrand new, digital speed cameras in New Zealand falsely accused truck drivers of speeding since January. Police officials announced last week that 133 tickets where refunded after at least ten recipients [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<br/><p><img class="alignleft" style="margin-left: 10px; margin-right: 10px;" title="New Zealand Speed Cameras" src="http://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/pix/nztruck.jpg" alt="" width="190" height="130" />New Zealand refunds speed camera tickets issued to trucks after speed readings prove to be bogus (source: <span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">Dominion Post &#8211; New Zealand)</span></p>
<p>New Zealand truckBrand new, digital speed cameras in New Zealand falsely accused truck drivers of speeding since January. Police officials announced last week that 133 tickets where refunded after at least ten recipients proved the speed claimed on the ticket had been double their actual speed. Police admitted the inaccuracy to the Dominion Post newspaper and have ceased issuing automated citations to large vehicles.</p>
<p>&#8220;It appears initially the cameras were set incorrectly and this has resulted in some incorrect [high] readings,&#8221; Inspector Peter McKay told the Dominion Post. &#8220;If there appears to be any anomalies, we will not process any infringements. To ensure no one is disadvantaged, no photos of large flat-sided vehicles &#8212; typically buses and trucks &#8212; are being processed at the moment.&#8221;</p>
<p>New Zealand introduced 43 <strong>Australian-made mobile camera units</strong> in January. The current theory as to why the system is so inaccurate is that the the large, flat sides of the vehicles are producing a doubled reflection back to the radar unit.</p>
<p>&#8220;We are talking about introducing a fairly sophisticated piece of equipment&#8230; it is reasonable to expect some teething issues.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>This is not the first time that Australian speed cameras have caused bogus readings for large vehicles</strong>. In 2005, speed cameras that used pavement sensors, not radar, in New South Wales, Australia falsely accused bus drivers of speeding. <strong>ONLY BECAUSE THE BUS DRIVER&#8217; S UNION</strong> had the<strong> financial resources</strong> to conduct extensive scientific tests to prove the buses were incapable of reaching the speeds alleged. This forced the NSW Roads and Traffic Authority (RTA) to admit reluctantly that the vibrations caused by the large vehicles produced the bogus readings. The RTA issued refunds in March of that year. <strong>Bad sensors are even a problem in the US as 589 bogus tickets were canceled in Scottsdale, Arizona after bogus speed readings were uncovered in 2008.</strong></p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #0000ff;">This is the problem people are screaming about&#8230;.that it is NOT simply a matter of &#8220;don&#8217;t speed and you won&#8217;t get fined&#8221;.<br />
It has been shown TIME AND TIME again that speed measurement devices are NOT as accurate as the police and governments claim they are.</span></strong></p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #0000ff;">INNOCENT DRIVERS ARE BEING FINED!</span></strong></p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #0000ff;">What makes it even worse, in fact SICKENING, is the extent at which the RTA and other authorities try to cover up these known shortcomings. They know the equipment is unreliable, however the speed camera system makes them far too much money to give up the billion dollar revenue.</span></strong></p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #0000ff;">The RTA has been referred to as a modern Al Capone!<br />
</span></strong></p>
<p>Between January 1, 2007 and April 15, 2008, New Zealand police issued 536,995 speed camera tickets for a profit of NZ$36 million.</p>
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		<title>Do Speeding Tickets Deter Drivers From Speeding?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 02:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<br/>The NMA has long held that drivers will travel at a speed that is reasonable to them regardless of the speed limit. With arbitrarily low speed limits in place across much of the country, it’s no surprise that the majority of drivers choose to travel above the speed limit. The response of government has always [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<br/><p><img class="alignleft" style="margin-left: 10px; margin-right: 10px;" title="Do speeding tickets deter drivers" src="http://www.motorists.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/DoSpeedingTicketsDeterDriversFromSpeedin_A59A/TIPjournal.jpg" alt="" width="143" height="184" />The NMA has long held that drivers will travel at a speed that is reasonable to them regardless of the speed limit. With arbitrarily low speed limits in place across much of the country, it’s no surprise that the majority of drivers choose to travel above the speed limit.</p>
<p>The response of government has always been to hand out speeding tickets with heavy financial penalties to deter this behavior.</p>
<p>However, anecdotal evidence has shown that this has had little effect on driver behavior and has only padded the budgets of local and state government. Now more concrete evidence is available as well.</p>
<p>There was a study done recently that confirms the fact that speeding tickets are an ineffective way to deter speeding. This study was published in the March 2007 issue of Traffic Injury Prevention.</p>
<p>Here’s a quick summary of the study:</p>
<p>Title:<br />
Do Speeding Tickets Reduce the Likelihood of Receiving Subsequent Speeding Tickets?</p>
<p>Authors:<br />
Saranath Lawpoolsri a; Jingyi Li a; Elisa R. Braver ab</p>
<p>Affiliations:<br />
a Department of Epidemiology and Preventive Medicine, University of Maryland School of Medicine, Baltimore, Maryland, USA<br />
b National Study Center for Trauma and EMS, Baltimore, Maryland, USA</p>
<p>Study Objective:<br />
Speeding tickets are the most commonly used tool to deter speeders, yet little is known about how speeding citations affect individual drivers’ behavior over time.</p>
<p>This study examined the effects of being cited for speeding and types of legal consequences on drivers’ subsequent speeding citations, which are an indicator of speeding behavior.</p>
<p>Conclusion:<br />
Drivers who receive speeding citations are at increased risk of receiving subsequent speeding citations, suggesting that speeding citations have limited effects on deterrence in the context of the current traffic enforcement system.</p>
<p>The full study goes into greater detail, including how different types of penalties can affect results.</p>
<p>If you’re interested, you can read it <a href="http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/section?content=a770296364&amp;fulltext=713240928"><strong>here</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>&#8216;Flick of a switch&#8217; to override speed limiter</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<br/>The effectiveness of new anti-speeding technology to be trialed in New South Wales has been questioned, because drivers will be able to override the system. Forty of the Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA) units will be trialed on Wollongong roads next month and the State Government says that one day it could be a standard feature [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<br/><p class="first"><img class="alignleft" style="margin-left: 10px; margin-right: 10px;" title="speed limiters" src="http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200710/r193241_730839.jpg" alt="" width="171" height="183" />The effectiveness of new anti-speeding technology to be trialed in New South Wales has been questioned, because drivers will be able to override the system.</p>
<p>Forty of the Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA) units will be trialed on Wollongong roads next month and the State Government says that one day it could be a standard feature in all cars.</p>
<p>But New South Wales Roads Minister Michael Daley says motorists will be able to override the system.</p>
<p>&#8220;There is a capability for the device to be switched off quickly with the flick of a switch,&#8221; Mr Daley said.</p>
<p>The NRMA&#8217;s Wendy Machin says that limits the device&#8217;s effectiveness.</p>
<p>&#8220;The people who want to do the right thing will find it a useful safety feature if it proves effective, but those who are going to speed and break the law are always the difficult ones to deal with,&#8221; Ms Machin said.</p>
<p>If the device is successful the Government stands to lose more than $80 million in revenue collected from speeding fines, but Mr Daley says that is not a concern.</p>
<p>&#8220;The incidence of speed-related fatalities and injuries costs our community billions of dollars each year. If speeding revenues were to fall dramatically, I&#8217;d be the happiest roads minister in Australia,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>The system works by cutting power to the engine if a driver goes over the speed limit and ignores a warning to slow down.</p>
<p>A device fitted to the dashboard picks up information about the speed limit on the road from satellites. A warning goes off if the motorist exceeds the limit. And if the driver continues to ignore the warning, power to the engine is cut.</p>
<p>Dr Soames Jobe is the director of the RTA&#8217;s Centre for Road Safety.</p>
<p>&#8220;It actually talks to the computer which manages the engine, and it tells that computer to limit the available fuel to the engine so that it will not exceed a certain speed, whatever speed limit you&#8217;re in,&#8221; Dr Jobe said.</p>
<p>&#8220;Typically in the ones I&#8217;ve driven, a voice comes on and says &#8217;60 kilometres an hour&#8217; or &#8217;50 kilometres an hour&#8217; or whatever the speed limit is you&#8217;re in to remind you that you have exceeded that speed limit.&#8221;</p>
<p>The NSW Government first flagged the idea last year and has now put out a tender for the supply of the ISA units.</p>
<p>The Roads and Traffic Authority (RTA) has been mapping the speed zones in the Wollongong region and will start trialling 40 devices from next month.</p>
<p>Another 60 cars will be fitted with machines that send out a warning when the speed limit has been breached.</p>
<p>The project will run for up to 18 months to test the reliability of the machines.</p>
<p>Dr Jobe says the trial will measure a number of things like the impact on speeds and vehicle running costs.</p>
<p>&#8220;What impact does it have on speeds? What impact does it have on the risk of being caught by speed camera, or the risk of crashing? And what impact does it have, for example, on the cost of running the vehicle?&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>&#8220;We expect it&#8217;s going to be cheaper to run the vehicle if you&#8217;re not exceeding the speed limit, accelerating harder in urban traffic in order to get above the speed limit.</p>
<p>&#8220;So we expect there&#8217;ll be savings for the environment &#8230; as well as, most importantly for us, road safety improvements.&#8221;</p>
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